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		<title>By: Wahoo</title>
		<link>http://www.wattornot.com/2007/09/25/correct-me-if-im-mshtakan/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Wahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: All Night Coder - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts on Programming - Powered by SocialRank</title>
		<link>http://www.wattornot.com/2007/09/25/correct-me-if-im-mshtakan/#comment-267</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Apple Fever - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts on Apple - Powered by SocialRank</title>
		<link>http://www.wattornot.com/2007/09/25/correct-me-if-im-mshtakan/#comment-266</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Douglas Willcocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Willcocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, perhaps this isn't the place.

Mr Watts, I apologise for taking the comments slightly off-topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, perhaps this isn&#8217;t the place.</p>
<p>Mr Watts, I apologise for taking the comments slightly off-topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Everson</title>
		<link>http://www.wattornot.com/2007/09/25/correct-me-if-im-mshtakan/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Everson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this blog isn't best served by ruminations on the sufficiency or insufficiency of my courteousness to Mr Watts.

In the meantime I will return to my work to encode scripts and characters in the Universal Character Set. Support that work if you can, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this blog isn&#8217;t best served by ruminations on the sufficiency or insufficiency of my courteousness to Mr Watts.</p>
<p>In the meantime I will return to my work to encode scripts and characters in the Universal Character Set. Support that work if you can, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Willcocks</title>
		<link>http://www.wattornot.com/2007/09/25/correct-me-if-im-mshtakan/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Willcocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between a "request" and a "demand", a request is shall we say "friendlier", especially when conveyed through a medium such as a comment on a blog article.

In this case a "request" and a "demand" would have yielded the same results, and thus the choice to "demand" instead of "request" is perhaps incorrect.

Indeed "insistence" is reasonable under these circumstances, but a "request" would have been even more so. Unless of course Mr. Watt had not heeded your request, or for some reason "insisting" was easier for you than "requesting", which would be a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between a &#8220;request&#8221; and a &#8220;demand&#8221;, a request is shall we say &#8220;friendlier&#8221;, especially when conveyed through a medium such as a comment on a blog article.</p>
<p>In this case a &#8220;request&#8221; and a &#8220;demand&#8221; would have yielded the same results, and thus the choice to &#8220;demand&#8221; instead of &#8220;request&#8221; is perhaps incorrect.</p>
<p>Indeed &#8220;insistence&#8221; is reasonable under these circumstances, but a &#8220;request&#8221; would have been even more so. Unless of course Mr. Watt had not heeded your request, or for some reason &#8220;insisting&#8221; was easier for you than &#8220;requesting&#8221;, which would be a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Everson</title>
		<link>http://www.wattornot.com/2007/09/25/correct-me-if-im-mshtakan/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Everson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I wrote post No. 6 above, I was only thinking about the inconvenient star (about which (I had heard before). I hadn't noticed the "solution". So post No. 7 above was a genuine postscript.  Apart from that... I don't really see why someone whose copyright has been violated should "request" redress. I think insistence is quite reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I wrote post No. 6 above, I was only thinking about the inconvenient star (about which (I had heard before). I hadn&#8217;t noticed the &#8220;solution&#8221;. So post No. 7 above was a genuine postscript.  Apart from that&#8230; I don&#8217;t really see why someone whose copyright has been violated should &#8220;request&#8221; redress. I think insistence is quite reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Willcocks</title>
		<link>http://www.wattornot.com/2007/09/25/correct-me-if-im-mshtakan/#comment-261</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Willcocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: Perhaps "jumpy" is not the correct term, but there is a certain "bludgeoning" factor to your comment. I'm sure that Mr. Watt would have complied with just as much speed if you had issued a request instead of an extract of legal code that almost reminds me of a cease and desist letter. Perhaps that your comment should have been a "request".

I suppose that what I am trying (perhaps unsuccessfully) to say is that perhaps a less formal (or more amicable) approach would have yielded the same results. Assuming that Mr. Watt is not prone to illegally distributing copyrighted fonts on a regular basis, I see your "insistence" a little stern considering the circumstances.

Perhaps indeed that a bigger company would have not have been so lenient, but because someone else would have done more than you does not mean that you did any less.

I don't know Mr. Watts, and I don't even read his blog, I merely stumbled on this page but I couldn't help but comment. It was the "Oh, and Mr Watt?" that spurred this on. If you were alarmed, it can hardly have been an afterthought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: Perhaps &#8220;jumpy&#8221; is not the correct term, but there is a certain &#8220;bludgeoning&#8221; factor to your comment. I&#8217;m sure that Mr. Watt would have complied with just as much speed if you had issued a request instead of an extract of legal code that almost reminds me of a cease and desist letter. Perhaps that your comment should have been a &#8220;request&#8221;.</p>
<p>I suppose that what I am trying (perhaps unsuccessfully) to say is that perhaps a less formal (or more amicable) approach would have yielded the same results. Assuming that Mr. Watt is not prone to illegally distributing copyrighted fonts on a regular basis, I see your &#8220;insistence&#8221; a little stern considering the circumstances.</p>
<p>Perhaps indeed that a bigger company would have not have been so lenient, but because someone else would have done more than you does not mean that you did any less.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Mr. Watts, and I don&#8217;t even read his blog, I merely stumbled on this page but I couldn&#8217;t help but comment. It was the &#8220;Oh, and Mr Watt?&#8221; that spurred this on. If you were alarmed, it can hardly have been an afterthought.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Everson</title>
		<link>http://www.wattornot.com/2007/09/25/correct-me-if-im-mshtakan/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Everson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew: There are many Michael Eversons in the world, as it happens. However, it may very well be the case that I am the one whose reputation has proceeded him to your doorstep. Howdy. Thank you for your courteous response. Don't forget the Script Encoding Initiative, if you are in a position to help our work.

Dave: Apple has made an agreement with me to distribute Mshtakan. Mr Watts did not. As it happens I have filed a bug with Apple and am providing them with an improved font.

Douglas: I didn't "request" compliance from Andrew. I insisted on it in order to protect my intellectual property. I wish I were independently wealthy enough to give everything I do away for free. I'd love to do it. My life's work -- indeed my dharma -- is to support the Universal Character Set and lesser-used languages and scripts. In the meantime, I have to make ends meet as well. It isn't easy when one's business model is "Psst... wanna buy an alphabet?"....

Note: I don't think I was impolite to Mr Watts. I don't know who he is (and couldn't find out from this site). I'm pretty sure that had he been distributing a font owned by a really big company he'd have had a less congenial reply than the one I gave. I admit to being alarmed. Not to being "jumpy".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew: There are many Michael Eversons in the world, as it happens. However, it may very well be the case that I am the one whose reputation has proceeded him to your doorstep. Howdy. Thank you for your courteous response. Don&#8217;t forget the Script Encoding Initiative, if you are in a position to help our work.</p>
<p>Dave: Apple has made an agreement with me to distribute Mshtakan. Mr Watts did not. As it happens I have filed a bug with Apple and am providing them with an improved font.</p>
<p>Douglas: I didn&#8217;t &#8220;request&#8221; compliance from Andrew. I insisted on it in order to protect my intellectual property. I wish I were independently wealthy enough to give everything I do away for free. I&#8217;d love to do it. My life&#8217;s work &#8212; indeed my dharma &#8212; is to support the Universal Character Set and lesser-used languages and scripts. In the meantime, I have to make ends meet as well. It isn&#8217;t easy when one&#8217;s business model is &#8220;Psst&#8230; wanna buy an alphabet?&#8221;....</p>
<p>Note: I don&#8217;t think I was impolite to Mr Watts. I don&#8217;t know who he is (and couldn&#8217;t find out from this site). I&#8217;m pretty sure that had he been distributing a font owned by a really big company he&#8217;d have had a less congenial reply than the one I gave. I admit to being alarmed. Not to being &#8220;jumpy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Willcocks</title>
		<link>http://www.wattornot.com/2007/09/25/correct-me-if-im-mshtakan/#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Willcocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I understand the value of intellectual property, copyrights and so on, I still find that Mr. Everson's "request" was slightly ... How to say? "Jumpy"?

Yes, the enforcing  of copyright needs to be done, but since the redistribution was merely an improvement (and technically, as it fixes a bug that the original author has acknowledged, a required "improvement") of the original and not a re-appropriation of the property, I think that the original author could have at least had the politeness to reply in a friendlier manner.

But then I suppose that nobody likes to have holes poked in their "intellectual property".

[This does not, in any way, constitute an enticement or instigation of a flame war (we've all got a bit of legalese somewhere)]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I understand the value of intellectual property, copyrights and so on, I still find that Mr. Everson&#8217;s &#8220;request&#8221; was slightly &#8230; How to say? &#8220;Jumpy&#8221;?</p>
<p>Yes, the enforcing  of copyright needs to be done, but since the redistribution was merely an improvement (and technically, as it fixes a bug that the original author has acknowledged, a required &#8220;improvement&#8221;) of the original and not a re-appropriation of the property, I think that the original author could have at least had the politeness to reply in a friendlier manner.</p>
<p>But then I suppose that nobody likes to have holes poked in their &#8220;intellectual property&#8221;.</p>
<p>[This does not, in any way, constitute an enticement or instigation of a flame war (we&#8217;ve all got a bit of legalese somewhere)]</p>
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